As a developer on an independent NCAA brackets application, Facebook's handling of their CBS Sports partnership is just infuriating. I have refrained from posting anything on here until now.
Facebook has raised CBS Sports' max invites today TO 100 PER PERSON!!! Are you kidding me? Today is the last day to be able to add users to our application because the brackets lock tomorrow morning. We're all fighting for new users. How the f- are we supposed to compete with that?
Look at the reviews for their app: http://www.facebook.com/apps/applicatio … 713520924. It's all either 1-Star reviews about how spammy and crappy the application is, or fake 5-star reviews by CBS employees and fake accounts made my CBS employees.
Alright, I've had to erase most of what I had written in this post because I don't want to burn any bridges. I would love to hear what other developers think about this.
... so mad right now.
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that's f***in bull****. that really pisses me off!
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That's just wrong man! Everyone refresh the invite page a few times and report forced invites ;-)
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I wonder what bucket that is...
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$$ out of 13
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Welcome to the real world.
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Chris Diraddo wrote:
I wonder what bucket that is...
that's not a bucket, it's a wheelbarrow
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Can I pay for invite allocations too? I'll pay extra if you shampoo your hair.
Last edited by crimson (2008-03-19 12:59:44)
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Yeah, yeah... I understand the "welcome to the real world" arguments, but this is an unprecedented move by Facebook. They have never given an application this type advantage before, a true functionality advantage. I did not complain or post on these boards when they were giving CBS incredible marketing advantages (2 million emails to people who hadn't added the app - a direct violation of their own policy, the in-your-face News Feed ad that you could not avoid without taking action). I understand you can pay for an advantage in that realm. But to be able to pay to change the rules of the game is an entirely different story.
Forgive me for the sports analogy but that's the world I live in. The Yankees have more money and thus buy better players than any other team. Still, they don't win the World Series every year because you still have to beat all of the other teams on a level playing field. Now what if the Yankees could buy an extra out per inning? What if the Yankees got to use an extra fielder in the outfield? That is what Facebook has afforded CBS with this move.
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Chris Diraddo wrote:
I wonder what bucket that is...

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blueadept,
I laughed so hard, I cried...
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no my friends, listen, it IS true that they bought their invite allocations (fine fine, they gave more money to do that) the key issues here regarding consistency are:
1. can the rest of us buy invite allocations (raised by my esteemed peer, see above}
2. in future, no fantasy league based app is NON KOSHER anymore, right?
3. whatever CBS sports offers as prizes, will be the gold standard for the rest of the other apps (whatever they do, the rest of us can do and cannot be penalized for it)
4. MOST IMPORTANT POINT: If their (CBS) invites are ignored or declined, they better be penalized allocations. Read: There's no way they will get anything more than a 20% average acceptance rate, so they better not be getting 100 invites/person (unchanged) all through the first week.
Apply all and especially number 4 consistently, behave like the multibillion dollar company you want to be.
Again, I reiterate, the Securities Exchange Commission punishes investment banks and/or trading houses if they clear a trade for an institution and not the same trade for a retail/common-man client. Can you live up to those standards in this industry?
Last edited by senatuskienlee (2008-03-19 13:50:24)
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ball, i suggest creating a new kind of bracket *as a backup/addon contingency app*, whereby users can start a new pool after round one. lets help you out think cbs sports partners. you are adept enough to come up with this, they aren't. their ship's big and has a huge ass, and can't turn as quickly.
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JohnFoe wrote:
hahahahahahaah
yea it sucks, but partnerships always screw the little guys
that is like me being mad at toys r us for buying toys from mattel instead of me
I will never ever let myself forget this point: the success of the API here is SOLELY because of developers like all of you guys reading this, not because of big corporations. The day fb forgets that it is doomed. the day the open API creates an end game scenario with every user having 1 fun wall, 1 top friends, 1 superpoke and 1 superwall, their multibillion dollar wannabe empire is lost.
trust me on this. as much as I make fun of select devs, there is no QUESTION in my mind the "little guys" are the glue that holds this Open API concept together. the little guys are the MOST important cog in the machine. MOST MOST MOST important.
- i bet you the cbs app forgot to include a bunch of social network functionalities required to power a social network app (dont ask me to elaborate because i want to see how it fails (or succeeds, surprise me)).
- tell me if you can count on more than 2 hands, how many companies have launched a decent social page.
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senatuskienlee wrote:
JohnFoe wrote:
hahahahahahaah
yea it sucks, but partnerships always screw the little guys
that is like me being mad at toys r us for buying toys from mattel instead of meI will never ever let myself forget this point: the success of the API here is SOLELY because of developers like all of you guys reading this, not because of big corporations. The day fb forgets that it is doomed. the day the open API creates an end game scenario with every user having 1 fun wall, 1 top friends, 1 superpoke and 1 superwall, their multibillion dollar wannabe empire is lost.
trust me on this. as much as I make fun of select devs, there is no QUESTION in my mind the "little guys" are the glue that holds this Open API concept together. the little guys are the MOST important cog in the machine. MOST MOST MOST important.
- i bet you the cbs app forgot to include a bunch of social network functionalities required to power a social network app (dont ask me to elaborate because i want to see how it fails (or succeeds, surprise me)).
- tell me if you can count on more than 2 hands, how many companies have launched a decent social page.
They have TourneyPoke, wooo!
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It's f***ing bull****.
Time to go develop for MySpace!
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tomkincaid wrote:
Welcome to the real world.
Indeed!
Spread the news. Let's get real and get developers on MySpace and off facebook.
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no way!! this is not fair
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friendhugs wrote:
It's f***ing bull****.
Time to go develop for MySpace!
Agreed! I knew something like this would have happened and I have been saying it since the concept was announced.
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ball wrote:
Alright, I've had to erase most of what I had written in this post because I don't want to burn any bridges. I would love to hear what other developers think about this.
Now I'm curious what the rest of your message was ![]()
My take on this is the very simple Golden Rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules. Facebook's duties are roughly, in order:
- their investors
- their advertisers
- their users
- large app developers
- small app developers
It doesn't mean you have to like it, but I don't see why anyone would expect any different from Facebook, or any competitor.
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The link to the app appears to be dead at the moment.
But if fb are allowing 100 invites to some apps because they pay, its a bit hypocritical for them to then say the platform is getting a bit spammy so we've implemented a bucket/threshold system to every app except those ones that are paying us.
Either stuff is being reported as spammy by users or its not. Just because someone pays for something it doesn't suddenly make it non-spammy.
Also, if these guys are willing to pay, then let them. But they should use the same mechanisms as everyone else, CPC, CPM adverts etc.
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This is historical.
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