Facebook Developers

I am as well....at least 3 emails this morning

Last edited by mrosen814 (2008-01-08 08:02:30)

The big guys can break all the rules.

Facebook doesn't care about small developers -- they're here to keep the rich big developers getting bigger

It's funny how Facebook always changes rules and makes things stricter all because the big dev companies BREAK ALL THE OLD RULES

doubledown wrote:

The same developers posted advertisements to these apps on my app review boards, but did it in such a way that it hid the post from the developer of the app (me). I caught it with a test user and confirmed with others I work with that they could see the spam while i couldnt. Reported to facebook, hoping these folks gets tossed off fb.

I doubt it.  Facebook seems to constantly look the other way with these guys -- they have big apps and get treated like kings.  They also post their links all across other apps and spam messages

zachallia wrote:

People are way too impatient these days with getting users. The only way for these crappy applications to get more people is through these methods, and it is sad that they are allowed to continue doing it. I would much rather have a strong base of users that love my application than some random one time user tricked into coming to my app. The biggest problem is companies like these make good money off of advertising, because the second one of there unlucky spam victims gets to their application, they are ready to leave, so they click on the first links they see.

LOL.  Agreed, but that doesn't stop these guys from blatantly breaking all the rules.  These are the same people who would send out unlimited spam notifications.

One lesson is clear: In the Facebook Game, it pays to break the rules and be a spammer/hacker

jtwald wrote:

Have you guys never heard of cross promotion? A marketing strategy used in every industry where marketing is relevant? There's nothing unethical about promoting a new product to an existing user base. Facebook made the new rules to prevent people from deceiving users, which these emails clearly are not. There were people like Slide and Rockyou who were actually sending emails that said they were to one app but went to another. The facebook post about this clearly says that.

Everyone has the same tools here, and the rules are still being worked out.

I think it was quite clear from that post that what you guys are doing is against the rules. Of course I've heard of cross promotion before...

Last edited by andy (2008-01-08 10:02:56)

andy wrote:

I think it was quite clear from that post that what you guys are doing is against the rules. Of course I've heard of cross promotion before...

"tricking the user into installing an application which they didn't intend to."

This same idea was the reason cross promotion emails were stopped. Not because it's unethical, but because they needed to a temporary solution to stop people who were doing such in a deceptive way.

Facebook gave the email system loose limits and allows you to take advantage of it. If we have an automated email campaigning system (which mails very infrequently compared to some of our competitors and what facebook will allow us to do) and we are just trying to promote a new application in a totally non deceptive one time informative way, there is no reason to cry wolf.

There should be some control mechanism like the spam for notifications that block applications that do this kind of stuff.

AdamCox wrote:

There should be some control mechanism like the spam for notifications that block applications that do this kind of stuff.

We offer our users to opt out right in the email, something that most people don't even have.

jtwald wrote:

AdamCox wrote:

There should be some control mechanism like the spam for notifications that block applications that do this kind of stuff.

We offer our users to opt out right in the email, something that most people don't even have.

Have you read facebook's latest news? You're not supposed to promote other apps in e-mails. That's called ABUSE.

Look, you guys are gross violators of every rule you can find that you can break.  You're apps are spammy and annoying as hell.  I don't care how many users you have, apps like yours are what cause app overload to occur and for people to get sick of apps.

And facebook doesn't care because you're probably in bed with them and you're probably a big company.

So do whatever you want and you'll probably get away with it, but that's not going to stop us people who are playing by the rules to get annoyed.

rgb4ever wrote:

jtwald wrote:

we are just trying to promote a new application in a totally non deceptive one time informative way, there is no reason to cry wolf.

LOL. I probably get like 2 e-mails a day from you promoting your new Stickerz app which you ripped off from Bumper Stickers.

Actually, facebook allows you to send 5 emails a day to your users. We sent 2 over a 6 day period, and will not be sending any further emails regarding stickerz or other apps not installed. We sent 1/15th the amount of emails facebook would allow us to in that period.

We could for instance launch an arcade app, and every time a new game is placed in it email all of our users. That would not be breaking the 'new rules'. As our apps are separated so we can give the full user experience for each one, it is thought down upon. It's all semantics.

Do companies with an email list for users of their antivirus app promote their firewall and internet security app to them? Yes. It's useful, relevant, and non deceptive.

Last edited by jtwald (2008-01-08 17:25:40)

rgb4ever wrote:

The big guys can break all the rules.

Facebook doesn't care about small developers -- they're here to keep the rich big developers getting bigger

It's funny how Facebook always changes rules and makes things stricter all because the big dev companies BREAK ALL THE OLD RULES

well, they are owned by microsoft...

Well spam pays if you get away with it.  From ~8k actives yesterday to 38.5k today.

http://www.facebook.com/apps/applicatio … &ref=s

Last edited by oliver (2008-01-09 12:53:21)